Krishnamurti on Holy Men and Love

“Throughout the world, so-called holy men have maintained that to look at a woman is something totally wrong: they say you cannot come near to God if you indulge in sex, therefore they push it aside although they are eaten up with it. But by denying sexuality they put out their eyes and cut out their tongues for they deny the whole beauty of the earth. They have starved their hearts and minds; they are dehydrated human beings; they have banished beauty because beauty is associated with woman.”

Jiddu Krishnamurti

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10 thoughts on “Krishnamurti on Holy Men and Love

  1. I found out about Jiddu Krishnamurti from your blog. I find this Indian thinker to be very interesting. I found a quote on love [on the web site you link to] that I find inspiring and I’ll post it on my blog. Ciao

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  2. @ Man of Roma: I find Krishnamurti somewhat difficult to understand at first since he is not so much attempting to reason with you as he is attempting to get you to look in a meaningful way at what he is describing. Krishnamurti, like the Dalai Lama, believes that experience takes precedence over reason, and reason takes precedence over scripture.

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  3. I wonder if he considers experience in the way Western philosophers do. In any case diverse approaches are important to enrich one’s mind. [I’ve now read the conversation on him and on ‘reason and observation’ in another of your posts dedicated to this thinker. ‘Observation’ doesn’t seem that different]

    As for sexuality, we must nonetheless consider that, as the Spanish philosopher Savater put it, ‘we like it too much’, so every culture did try to regulate it in a way or another. I am not against this regulation, but any denial of sexuality seems instead foolish and unhealthy. As an example, we can observe its results in the perversion of many Catholic priests, who are not allowed to marry and are therefore the most repressed in Christianity.

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  4. @ Man of Roma: Good points! I also think sexuality has been used as a wedge issue to gain power over people. It is an amazing stretch to imagine that someone besides me has a right — even an obligation — to tell me what to do or not do in the privacy of my bedroom. But once I have accepted that someone does indeed have that right, I have in effect accepted their complete and total authority over me.

    Once some folks discovered that claiming moral authority over other people’s sex lives was an efficient way to enslave them, the world changed a bit.

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  5. @Paul Sunstone

    I agree. You’re now considering the theme of power. The sense of guilt many religions produce in people’s conscience, as regards sexuality, that is all these self-punishment mechanisms derived from breaking laws impossible to comply, all this does favour low-self-esteem and weak personalities easier to control, I don’t have many doubts about it.

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  6. Regarding reason, experience, and scripture, I’ve heard it said that the Buddha taught: “Rely not on the teacher, but on the teaching. Rely not on the words of the teaching, but on the spirit of the words. Rely not on theory, but on experience. Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. Do not believe anything because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything because it is written in your scripture. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and the benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”

    Sexual abstinence isn’t something I think we should aspire to. It’s just as toxic as complete sexual license. There’s got to be a middle ground.

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  7. Krishnamurti must be read carefully.

    What he has missed (in this statement) is that to get lost in another similar being (human of either sex) is to lose the experience of oneness with God that these “holy” ones seek to guide another towards. Instead of being with another similar being, the “holy” ones seek to guide one towards oneness with something larger than themselves, focusing minds and experiences of pleasure upon this higher being alone. To descend into simple sexual encounters with a similar being can drain one of the focus and will required to attain oneness with this higher being, but may not do so for the adept.

    This does not mean that sexual encounters are wrong, but if one seeks oneness with God, one abstains from them for a higher encounter. Many are satisfied with the pleasures of sex, so do not need to reach for anything higher.

    Someone who enjoys ice cream but perceives the pleasures of a healthy body does not over indulge in it (ice cream). Perhaps they give it up altogether, as it may not be necessary (except when they need it to maintain health).

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  8. If a person gives up sex for God, it’s
    based on a idea or a belief, it has no
    basis in fact. The person deep down
    wants a woman but in their mind they
    have a belief that they can’t be with
    a woman if they want God, therefore
    their is conflict, so they condition
    them self.
    If you choose not to be with a woman
    because you have no need, then that
    is completely different,

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