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		<title>By: Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the problem some of you are having might be a lack of precise instructions. Ajahn Brahm cleared up a whole lot of confusion for me in his book &quot;Mindfulness, Bliss and Beyond&quot; which is available at http://www.bswa.org and focuses primarily on breath meditation. The mistake a lot of beginners and intermediate meditators make is going on to the breath too early, Ajahn Brahm says that we need to establish a strong foundation first and not rush before building the &quot;house of peace&quot; or else it will sink in the sand. The foundation is awareness of the body and making it reasonably comfortable (smiling helps). Once this step has been acheived you are ready to focus on the present moment, you instruct your mindfulness at the beginning of this stage so that any time a thought of the past or future comes up you bring it back to the present moment. Then when the mind has stopped wandering to the past and future for a considerable amount of time you focus on the silence of the mind between thoughts. This means if a dog barks, you don&#039;t think &quot;I wish that dog would stop barking&quot; you just notice it without making a mental comment about it. Once the mind is silent THEN you bring it to the breath, having established a solid foundation your awareness is less likely to wander. If your mind does wander at any point, bring it back to an earlier stage. For more details buy the book. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem some of you are having might be a lack of precise instructions. Ajahn Brahm cleared up a whole lot of confusion for me in his book &#8220;Mindfulness, Bliss and Beyond&#8221; which is available at <a href="http://www.bswa.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.bswa.org</a> and focuses primarily on breath meditation. The mistake a lot of beginners and intermediate meditators make is going on to the breath too early, Ajahn Brahm says that we need to establish a strong foundation first and not rush before building the &#8220;house of peace&#8221; or else it will sink in the sand. The foundation is awareness of the body and making it reasonably comfortable (smiling helps). Once this step has been acheived you are ready to focus on the present moment, you instruct your mindfulness at the beginning of this stage so that any time a thought of the past or future comes up you bring it back to the present moment. Then when the mind has stopped wandering to the past and future for a considerable amount of time you focus on the silence of the mind between thoughts. This means if a dog barks, you don&#8217;t think &#8220;I wish that dog would stop barking&#8221; you just notice it without making a mental comment about it. Once the mind is silent THEN you bring it to the breath, having established a solid foundation your awareness is less likely to wander. If your mind does wander at any point, bring it back to an earlier stage. For more details buy the book. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Paul Sunstone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Sunstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Nikita:  Spot on and well said!  Welcome to the blog!

I would only suggest there seem to be other kinds of meditation besides letting go or dying.  I don&#039;t know much about them, however, because I don&#039;t practice any of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Nikita:  Spot on and well said!  Welcome to the blog!</p>
<p>I would only suggest there seem to be other kinds of meditation besides letting go or dying.  I don&#8217;t know much about them, however, because I don&#8217;t practice any of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Sunstone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Sunstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Clare:  First, please allow me to apologize for not returning much, much sooner to address your comments.   I do not even know what happened now, but I do know that I am not always good at remembering which posts I have responded to and which I have not.

To my mind, the questions you raise are in some way key to understanding meditation -- at least the kind I&#039;m familiar with.  Since, to me, meditation is letting go or dying, it does not properly occur until one has even let go of secular goals -- such as the goal of reducing stress.  So far as I know, the only motivation for meditating that seems compatible with the nature of meditating -- that does not seem to interfere with it -- is dispassionate curiosity.  

In my experience meditation often does reduce stress, Clare -- although it does not cure a biological depression.  But I think if you set out with the goal of reducing stress, you will be defeated.  

Perhaps the most important thing to know about meditation -- at least as I practice it -- is that it is counter productive to force &lt;i&gt;anything&lt;/i&gt; to happen.  And if you have a goal, then that is no less than an attempt to make your goal realized.  But trying to resist having a goal is also an attempt to force something to happen.  So when meditating resist nothing!  When your mind is trying to force something to happen -- don&#039;t even resist that, Clare! But observe what your mind is doing.

I hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Clare:  First, please allow me to apologize for not returning much, much sooner to address your comments.   I do not even know what happened now, but I do know that I am not always good at remembering which posts I have responded to and which I have not.</p>
<p>To my mind, the questions you raise are in some way key to understanding meditation &#8212; at least the kind I&#8217;m familiar with.  Since, to me, meditation is letting go or dying, it does not properly occur until one has even let go of secular goals &#8212; such as the goal of reducing stress.  So far as I know, the only motivation for meditating that seems compatible with the nature of meditating &#8212; that does not seem to interfere with it &#8212; is dispassionate curiosity.  </p>
<p>In my experience meditation often does reduce stress, Clare &#8212; although it does not cure a biological depression.  But I think if you set out with the goal of reducing stress, you will be defeated.  </p>
<p>Perhaps the most important thing to know about meditation &#8212; at least as I practice it &#8212; is that it is counter productive to force <i>anything</i> to happen.  And if you have a goal, then that is no less than an attempt to make your goal realized.  But trying to resist having a goal is also an attempt to force something to happen.  So when meditating resist nothing!  When your mind is trying to force something to happen &#8212; don&#8217;t even resist that, Clare! But observe what your mind is doing.</p>
<p>I hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 05:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I definitely agree. Meditation is the practice of dying.  This is great if you are married or are in any kind of a relationship. If you are attached then when you meditate you have to let go in order to die freely. Each time you meditate you have to be ready to die that very moment. This is the only way that you will feel happy in life. When you are ready to die at any moment, have no regrets, no desires, no attachments, no wishes that you could do one last thing, then you are headed straight for nirvana.

The longer you sit and observe the more attachments will float up, and you have to let them all go.

This is meditation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I definitely agree. Meditation is the practice of dying.  This is great if you are married or are in any kind of a relationship. If you are attached then when you meditate you have to let go in order to die freely. Each time you meditate you have to be ready to die that very moment. This is the only way that you will feel happy in life. When you are ready to die at any moment, have no regrets, no desires, no attachments, no wishes that you could do one last thing, then you are headed straight for nirvana.</p>
<p>The longer you sit and observe the more attachments will float up, and you have to let them all go.</p>
<p>This is meditation.</p>
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		<title>By: Clare</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This just makes me desperate to hear what your experience of meditation is!

I&#039;m thinking of learning to meditate as a means to alleviate stress and learn to control or detach from strong or overwhelming emotions, e.g. depression, anxiety before an exam, etc. I&#039;ve seen evidence that meditation can affect brain behaviour and patterns. What is your experience of its value outside of the view of it as a religious practice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just makes me desperate to hear what your experience of meditation is!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking of learning to meditate as a means to alleviate stress and learn to control or detach from strong or overwhelming emotions, e.g. depression, anxiety before an exam, etc. I&#8217;ve seen evidence that meditation can affect brain behaviour and patterns. What is your experience of its value outside of the view of it as a religious practice?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Zenuria:  I think you make a very good point that methodless meditation is also a valid form of meditation for some people.  Thank you for bringing that up!

@ Leguru: What to do? I think dispassionate curiosity has worked the best for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Zenuria:  I think you make a very good point that methodless meditation is also a valid form of meditation for some people.  Thank you for bringing that up!</p>
<p>@ Leguru: What to do? I think dispassionate curiosity has worked the best for me.</p>
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		<title>By: leguru</title>
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		<dc:creator>leguru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]Could the state of meditation be likened to Air on a G string?[/quote] Close, zunuria. More like &quot;hot breath on a G string,&quot; providing you are using the proper form of meditation. I&#039;ve been practicing Buddhism for 22 years and find that &quot;earthly desires are enlightenment.&quot; The best way to approach the Buddha nature within is through compassion. That compassion can be achieved in your daily life interactions with others, when you use the earthly desires that you find in common with another and enter into really meaningful dialogue. Helping another being find ways to overcome the suffering they are experiencing is the best way to live our life. This is from a Mahayana perspective. If you desire to become an arhat and gain complete freedom from desires, that desire is, itself, a hindrance. What to do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]Could the state of meditation be likened to Air on a G string?[/quote] Close, zunuria. More like &#8220;hot breath on a G string,&#8221; providing you are using the proper form of meditation. I&#8217;ve been practicing Buddhism for 22 years and find that &#8220;earthly desires are enlightenment.&#8221; The best way to approach the Buddha nature within is through compassion. That compassion can be achieved in your daily life interactions with others, when you use the earthly desires that you find in common with another and enter into really meaningful dialogue. Helping another being find ways to overcome the suffering they are experiencing is the best way to live our life. This is from a Mahayana perspective. If you desire to become an arhat and gain complete freedom from desires, that desire is, itself, a hindrance. What to do?</p>
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		<title>By: zenuria</title>
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		<dc:creator>zenuria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many different forms of meditation. I think it is a matter of finding what works for you. Some people find no method that works. That is ok too. Or different methods work at different times or for different purposes.

Nobody&#039;s experience is right or wrong - all are equally valid. It is a very subjective area even though certain states of mind can be replicated by others if the right techniques are employed (the Buddhists are excellent at this with their investigative approach).

Could the state of meditation be likened to Air on a G string?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many different forms of meditation. I think it is a matter of finding what works for you. Some people find no method that works. That is ok too. Or different methods work at different times or for different purposes.</p>
<p>Nobody&#8217;s experience is right or wrong &#8211; all are equally valid. It is a very subjective area even though certain states of mind can be replicated by others if the right techniques are employed (the Buddhists are excellent at this with their investigative approach).</p>
<p>Could the state of meditation be likened to Air on a G string?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Lirone:   I believe I&#039;ve noticed the link between letting go and being there, too.

@  Dinesh:  I think you are describing a valid and useful way to meditate that unfortunately does not work for me.  I&#039;ve tried it to no avail. Perhaps I was doing it wrong, or perhaps it&#039;s just incompatible with me -- I&#039;ve no idea which. 

Alan Watts is very interesting, isn&#039;t he.  He&#039;s had some influence on my thinking, and would probably have more of an influence if I study him more. 

@ Meowlin:  LOL!

@ Meleah:  Here&#039;s the link to your post for all who are interested: &lt;a href=&quot;http://mommamiameaculpa.com/?p=1791&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I could.  But I won&#039;t&lt;/a&gt;. I am glad to hear you have begun the process of letting go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Lirone:   I believe I&#8217;ve noticed the link between letting go and being there, too.</p>
<p>@  Dinesh:  I think you are describing a valid and useful way to meditate that unfortunately does not work for me.  I&#8217;ve tried it to no avail. Perhaps I was doing it wrong, or perhaps it&#8217;s just incompatible with me &#8212; I&#8217;ve no idea which. </p>
<p>Alan Watts is very interesting, isn&#8217;t he.  He&#8217;s had some influence on my thinking, and would probably have more of an influence if I study him more. </p>
<p>@ Meowlin:  LOL!</p>
<p>@ Meleah:  Here&#8217;s the link to your post for all who are interested: <a href="http://mommamiameaculpa.com/?p=1791" rel="nofollow">I could.  But I won&#8217;t</a>. I am glad to hear you have begun the process of letting go.</p>
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		<title>By: meleah rebeccah</title>
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		<dc:creator>meleah rebeccah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“The meditative experience is, to my mind, the practice of dying, the practice of letting go.&quot;

I have a REALLY hard time LETTING GO....but I think my latest post is actually the 1st STEP in letting go of my anger and sadness over certian health issues...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The meditative experience is, to my mind, the practice of dying, the practice of letting go.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have a REALLY hard time LETTING GO&#8230;.but I think my latest post is actually the 1st STEP in letting go of my anger and sadness over certian health issues&#8230;</p>
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